Comments on: Neuroscientist David Eagleman — Exploring Consciousness, Sensory Augmentation, The Lazy Susan Method of Extraordinary Productivity, Dreaming, Improving Hearing with a Wristband, Synesthesia, Stretching Time with Novelty, Lessons from Titans of Science, and Much More (#674) https://tim.blog/2023/05/27/david-eagleman/ Tim Ferriss's 4-Hour Workweek and Lifestyle Design Blog. Tim is an author of 5 #1 NYT/WSJ bestsellers, investor (FB, Uber, Twitter, 50+ more), and host of The Tim Ferriss Show podcast (400M+ downloads) Thu, 01 Jun 2023 19:19:34 +0000 hourly 1 By: Ashleigh B https://tim.blog/2023/05/27/david-eagleman/#comment-207253 Thu, 01 Jun 2023 19:19:34 +0000 https://tim.blog/?p=67790#comment-207253 Great interview. David Eagleman’s energy is infectious. I love the way he talks about neuroscience with such joy and enthusiasm. Like his graduate professor, he too breaks the mold of the stereotypical scientist. I don’t know why but the discussion of synesthesia reminded me of the pre-cogs from Minority Report! Ha! On a more serious note, David’s advice to seek novelty and lay down dense memories to create the perception of time expansion was particularly intriguing. So often the personal growth ‘to do’ list can seem daunting, but this piece of advice is one that I’m excited to put into practice.

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By: Price Colman https://tim.blog/2023/05/27/david-eagleman/#comment-207148 Tue, 30 May 2023 23:27:50 +0000 https://tim.blog/?p=67790#comment-207148 Outstanding mind-expanding podcast! AI and machine learning may indeed be an existential threat to humanity, but as Dr. Eagleman makes clear, they also have tremendous potential to help. As a long-time tinnitus sufferer (can everybody hear those crickets?) with increasing hearing loss, I’m ready to sign up as a tester for the wristband. His visionary thinking and ability see potential practical applications for his hypotheses put him in the same league as Ray Kurzweil, Yuval Noah Harari, and Elon Musk.

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By: Allets https://tim.blog/2023/05/27/david-eagleman/#comment-207116 Tue, 30 May 2023 10:23:01 +0000 https://tim.blog/?p=67790#comment-207116 nice

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By: Team Tim Ferriss https://tim.blog/2023/05/27/david-eagleman/#comment-207059 Mon, 29 May 2023 16:24:05 +0000 https://tim.blog/?p=67790#comment-207059 In reply to Jason Hrynyk.

Thank you, Jason, for this note. We have made the correction and are happy to hear you enjoyed the interview!

Best,

Team Tim Ferriss

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By: Jason Hrynyk https://tim.blog/2023/05/27/david-eagleman/#comment-207057 Mon, 29 May 2023 15:54:20 +0000 https://tim.blog/?p=67790#comment-207057 Tim, the last show note has David Eagleman’s named misspelled as “Eatleman”. This has been one of my favorite podcasts in the past 8 years that I’ve been listening. Keep up the hard work!

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By: Grant Castillou https://tim.blog/2023/05/27/david-eagleman/#comment-206992 Sun, 28 May 2023 02:56:27 +0000 https://tim.blog/?p=67790#comment-206992 It’s becoming clear that with all the brain and consciousness theories out there, the proof will be in the pudding. By this I mean, can any particular theory be used to create a human adult level conscious machine. My bet is on the late Gerald Edelman’s Extended Theory of Neuronal Group Selection. The lead group in robotics based on this theory is the Neurorobotics Lab at UC at Irvine. Dr. Edelman distinguished between primary consciousness, which came first in evolution, and that humans share with other conscious animals, and higher order consciousness, which came to only humans with the acquisition of language. A machine with primary consciousness will probably have to come first.

What I find special about the TNGS is the Darwin series of automata created at the Neurosciences Institute by Dr. Edelman and his colleagues in the 1990’s and 2000’s. These machines perform in the real world, not in a restricted simulated world, and display convincing physical behavior indicative of higher psychological functions necessary for consciousness, such as perceptual categorization, memory, and learning. They are based on realistic models of the parts of the biological brain that the theory claims subserve these functions. The extended TNGS allows for the emergence of consciousness based only on further evolutionary development of the brain areas responsible for these functions, in a parsimonious way. No other research I’ve encountered is anywhere near as convincing.

I post because on almost every video and article about the brain and consciousness that I encounter, the attitude seems to be that we still know next to nothing about how the brain and consciousness work; that there’s lots of data but no unifying theory. I believe the extended TNGS is that theory. My motivation is to keep that theory in front of the public. And obviously, I consider it the route to a truly conscious machine, primary and higher-order.

My advice to people who want to create a conscious machine is to seriously ground themselves in the extended TNGS and the Darwin automata first, and proceed from there, by applying to Jeff Krichmar’s lab at UC Irvine, possibly. Dr. Edelman’s roadmap to a conscious machine is at https://arxiv.org/abs/2105.10461

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